Banned from Distrowatch
Ever wondered why Ubuntu Satanic Edition is not on Distrowatch, the popular guide to the world of Linux? We contacted Ladislav Bodnar, the maintainer of the site, and this was his reply:
There is no way I am going to add this distro to DistroWatch. Two reasons:
“1. I don’t consider the name “Satanic edition” as an appropriate name for a Linux distribution. Believe me, there are many very sensitive people visiting DistroWatch who would be offended by the name of your distro. There is a line between what is and what isn’t an appropriate name for a software product and I believe that you’ve crossed that line.
2. Ubuntu is a registered trademark of Canonical. You need to show me an official permission from Canonical that grants you the use of the word Ubuntu in your product’s name.
Regards,
Ladislav”
When we’d got up off the floor, we send the following response:
“Woah!
What about Muslim and Christian editions?! It seems that your worries about trademark infringement and offensive material don’t stop you from including those.
I thought Distrowatch was supost to be a list of Linux distributions. Surely it your purpose is to reflect the world of Linux and not dictate it.”
So, it seems you won’t be seeing your favourite distro on “distro”watch. At least until hell freezes over.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
What about changing the name to Devil-Linux? Oh wait, that’s not only taken, but it is also listed on Distrowatch, with its latest update being posted within the last two weeks.
What a fucking hypocrite.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
Funny, I said the same thing to him myself. And what about the BSD logo? I’m sure some hicks would be offended by that, too.
August 7th, 2008 at 3:14 pm
Strangely, even if you could meet his second condition (something Fluxbuntu didn’t have to do), the first still stands. BTW, does an article with Mark Shuttleworth saying that he doesn’t have a problem with UbuntuSE count?
If people were offended, wouldn’t they just not go to that page, thus relegating it to the bottom of the Page Hit Rankings?
Oh ye, of little faith!
August 7th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
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August 10th, 2008 at 2:35 am
What a joke. You put together a fantastic distro here. I’m thoroughly enjoying it and sharing it. This guy only discredits the distrowatch site when he discriminates for such ridiculous reasons.
Please keep up the good work and we’ll keep coming to the source for updates. The torrents still work for distribution and you likely get less hate mail from the ignorant.
August 11th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
What a great idea for a distro!
I surely will check it out!
August 12th, 2008 at 9:15 pm
What a hypocritical, humourless dickhead. Distrowatch now deleted from reader.
August 13th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
I understand “Lady slave”, I was very offended when I heared about “Christian editions”
… keep the good work!
August 20th, 2008 at 1:35 am
Maybe if you mentioned the fact that Satanism is a religion recognized by the US Armed Forces he’d have to…ahhh, who am I kidding?
August 20th, 2008 at 3:42 am
Doesn’t surprise me a it given the liberal nature of open source software. God forbid you offend anyone, no pun intended. Fuck him I’ll be finding out about new distros elsewhere.
August 21st, 2008 at 10:16 am
How silly. This is a fun project, not something insane based on brainwashing like Muslim and Christian edition… I mean seriously, bible/quoran-quote programs? Religion on such a level is deeply offensive to me.
August 24th, 2008 at 6:23 pm
I think its Bullshit, Distrowatch should be fair to all imaginery friends. Not just the most popular ones
August 26th, 2008 at 3:05 am
What A Dickhead.That’s Surely What Open Source Is NOT About. Keep Up The Good Job!!
August 26th, 2008 at 11:45 am
I’m actually looking for an Ubuntu Atheist Edition, but couldn’t find one.
August 27th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
You Suck!
August 28th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
I second Alien’s comments. We should be fair to all imaginary friends, not just the popular ones
I’m currently looking for someone to put together a Sith edition.
Seriously though, I think the fact that there are muslim, christian and satanic editions of linux just go to highlight one of the most beautiful things about this os and that is it’s potential for customization. Yeah, you can build *overlays* to Windows but you can’t distribute a Satanic Windows (because Bill already does….er …oops).
August 30th, 2008 at 8:09 am
I never liked distrowatch
now i hate it even more, we need a new authority for a linux list, any ideas?
August 30th, 2008 at 9:53 am
What a load of rubbish. Don’t let idiots like that take a shit on you(r distro), Gary. He should be tortured, and executed (ok, maybe I’m being a little over the top here, but still, *he* is the one being offensive here, not you).
September 1st, 2008 at 1:30 pm
So… do you actually have the official permission from Canonical that grants you the use of the word Ubuntu in your product’s name? All this bitching over the religious discrimination aspects are moot if you don’t.
September 1st, 2008 at 1:32 pm
Ubuntu Christian Edition got permission, so as far as we’re concerned that applies to us, too.
September 2nd, 2008 at 11:57 am
Let’s send him complains about chri*tian edition - it surelly offends me as well, I’m sure, as you.
September 2nd, 2008 at 2:29 pm
Well?
Mark Shuttlesworth was asked about Ubuntu SE and he was amused and said he didn’t have a problem with it. I’d say that is as close to getting permission as we are going to get without requesting it officially.
Besides if they won’t give us permission, they might as wel admit it’s only open source if they like you, which goes against hte whole open source movement.
Hey Garry, I found a website that makes custom case badges for 10 cents a badge. Interested?
September 2nd, 2008 at 2:56 pm
Sure, send us a link.
September 3rd, 2008 at 6:22 pm
This is by far the best idea ever! Love this fucking distro. Don’t you even think of stopping the development!
Fuck Distrowatch!
September 4th, 2008 at 8:28 pm
1) Fluxbuntu is listed. However, the name isn’t endorsed by Canonical! Why Ubuntu SE need to?
2)If all that Distrowatch babble is about being a Satanic distro… WHY A MUSLIM AND A CHRISTIAN DISTROS ARE OK, BUT A SATANIC NOT?
—666—666—666—
Forks aren’t very nice, and even the K/X/Ubuntu fork only makes a bit of sense if you realize that desktop environments like KDE, Gnome and Xfce are too big to include all in just one CD.
Religion-based distros are senseless. It’s the same engine, with the same software (except, maybe, one or two programs that come pre-installed, but readily disponible for all Ubuntu users in the repository).
Ok, ok, the visual is different. So, why don’t launch a theme, with wallpapers/icons/animations/bullshit-like-this?
In FLOSS, there’s already distro war, let not put religions in the cross fire.
—666—666—666—
My opinions about Ubuntu SE are mixed. A Satanic distro is as worthless as a Christian and a Muslim distros.
HOWEVER, as a critic, I like it. And the visual is great, seems like your guys put a lot of effort in it.
And YES, I saw that it can be installed in a already running Ubuntu - quite clever idea.
Farewells to everyone, and sorry by the “scold” LOL.
AVE LVX FERRE, REX REGIS EST.
September 5th, 2008 at 6:25 am
We started off as just a metapackage for Ubuntu, but lots of people *wanted* a CD. Some people are newbies and find the CD easier, others just like the convenience of it all being done for them, others like the fact that it’s a live CD and they can boot it up on their friends’ PCs and show it off.
There are also things which you can do with e CD which is difficult with just packages - such as make sure all new users get the Satanic theme.
You say that forks are bad, but providing an alternative CD does not fork Ubuntu; once installed, you can easily change back to standard Ubuntu or even Kubuntu by installing a few packages.
Also, CDs include specific bundled software. This is very convenient for the end user. Many users aren’t into trying out 5 music players to see which is the best, they just use whatever’s there. With CE, those users love the included bible and parental control software and it attracted them to Ubuntu. Getting more people to try it out can only be good for Linux and open source.
September 9th, 2008 at 2:52 am
suya lang to cya kay gamay cya ug otin pero mas gagmay pagyud inyo nya samot na si satanas! bwahahahahaha!
pisti nang mga relihiyun ngyawa! sila ray nadato! pisti!
kanang kristo sa buwangan na.
kanang mohammed, iyot na ug kanding, kamel, karnero ug uban pang mananap! bwahahahahaha!
September 9th, 2008 at 8:10 am
I knew it!
Shuttleworth is a Baphomet worshiping anti-christ! And Ubuntu is his legion!
I’m glad I changed to Debian, it’s agnostic! ;o)
seriously, SE is an awesome piece of work…I had to have the skydomes… ;o) cheers
September 9th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
nobody cares. go have your sissy slap fight in private.
September 9th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
Nobody cares that Distrowatch is playing God and deciding which distros should be included and which not? It’s about time they made the site a WIKI and let the community decide what should be included.
September 9th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
if that’s what “playing god” is, no wonder people don’t believe in him.
By the way, I’m a complete tosser.
September 9th, 2008 at 2:37 pm
“Playing god” is me editing your last post.
September 9th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
You don’t need a distro for this, it’s just a couple themes and wallpapers and some music. You’d have a much easier time getting an official package made that can be distributed with any version of ubuntu. I’m certain this would be possible. But why make people download an entire distro if 99% of it is the same as regular ubuntu? What a waste of space.
September 9th, 2008 at 4:36 pm
Dude: he just explained exactly what you asked about 7 posts up from yours.
September 9th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
Because people would be offended by the “Satanic Edition”? Well ok. I am offended by standard Ubuntu, now remove it from DW kthxbye.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:15 pm
not offended, bored.Bored by the satanic edition.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:15 pm
I can’t tell the difference between the Muslim and Satanic editions. Both are evil.
September 9th, 2008 at 10:19 pm
Is this the only distro that has been banned from Distrowatch? That would be awesome.
It’s, like, the Linux equivalent of blowing up Alderaan or smoking cigarettes. Just so everyone knows how badass we are.
September 10th, 2008 at 9:36 am
I emailed him about it and basically he said the only difference between ubuntuSE and the muslim/christian editions is that they have written permission to use the trademark ubuntu.
So the simple solution is just email Canonical asking for persmission to use the ubuntu trademark. Once you do that distrowatch won’t have a leg to stand on.
September 10th, 2008 at 9:45 am
I doubt Canonical would give us permission. They regret the fact that they gave CE permission and have since been much more protective of their trademark. They would not let us be called Ubuntu Satanic Edition on Launchpad, which is why we are listed as Ubuntu Satanic Theme on there.
However, as far as I see it, if they let CE continue to use their name then they can’t stop us.
As far as Distrowatch is concerned, I’d rather not be included, thanks.
September 10th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
You could always go the Ultimate Edition route and just remove Ubuntu from the name - although it wouldn’t have the same ring to it as Ubuntu Satanic
I suggested a while back that SE could use some custom software - perhaps a preinstalled theme for Firefox, some Tor/proxy software (in case you want to get up to anything “evil” or similar things. All the Christian Edition is is a distro with some bundled preacherware after all.
Hmm…Are any of Lovecraft’s works public domain yet? that’d make an interesting counter to the Bible program in CE
September 10th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
We’ve decided to focus on media content, such as the included metal music rather than particular applications.
Lovecraft is a good suggestion…
September 10th, 2008 at 7:36 pm
I say we all start mailing these containers of douche at DW and let them know that Muslim and Christian Editions Offend us, and About that Ubuntu Wiki thing. Maybe you should make your own. Trump DW WIth linux watch or something. Honestly I just got into linux about a year ago and had never heard of this site, so they don’t really matter to me. I know That I love SE and so does the lady of the house. I complimented it by adding about 20 more gigs of metal music and metal video. I wonder if you can get DethKlock to endorse this distro.
September 11th, 2008 at 7:46 pm
You could at the very least demand that if you’re not allowed to be on the list, then you won’t allow the Christian and Muslim editions to make use of daemons.
September 12th, 2008 at 8:47 am
Distrowatch is dead.
Long live Distropedia…
http://cafelinux.org/distropedia/node/197
September 12th, 2008 at 10:46 am
Hey everyone!
Been using the satanic live cd for a while, and I must say: great distro - hellish music! Not even a bit less than I was hoping to get! Keep up the good work, if you want, I can do hungarian translations for you guys:) and never forget: KEEP IT HEAVY!!!
September 12th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=ubuntuce
NICE…
I think distowatch is for noobs anyway but that link is funny along with yer email…
September 12th, 2008 at 8:08 pm
I only just found your site by accident last week. I love the artwork. Hope you keep on trucking despite Distrowatch’s bias to “Christian” editions. It’s especially hilarious to me, because at least your site has links to the Christian and Muslim editions.
Some people can’t take a joke, and others, like Wolf, attribute Distrowatch’s attitude as liberal, when it more reflects the close-mindedness of the religious right.
I’m going to hell anyway, heck, I’m even driving the bus.
September 14th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
Any credibility Distrowatch had has gone forever. Hopefully a large number of links to this sad tale of censorship will generate interest in SE whilst condemning Distrowatch to be removed from every browser bookmark.
Distrowatch should have a banner stating ‘We censor so you don’t have to!’
September 17th, 2008 at 8:03 am
If the name is the problem, just change it into something else like Devilbuntu, 666buntu or Satanicbuntu. You might come up with a better name.
September 17th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
I just found this site by searching for “ubuntu dark theme”. Its at both brilliant and hilarious concept at the same time, I love it!!!
“Inhuman” theme cracked me up - “linux for the damned” is just genius.
Cheers!
September 19th, 2008 at 4:14 am
Satanic carries such negative connotations, perhaps something more positive like Inquisitor or Crusader Linux would reflect more positively on the mythos.
September 24th, 2008 at 12:23 am
Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from a religious conviction.
Blaise Pascal
French mathematician, physicist (1623 - 1662)
September 26th, 2008 at 7:03 am
It is so funny that you would get upset at this. I mean come on you started this distro as a spoof of Christian Linux. That in its self shows you have no respect for anyone else but your own views. To get upset because someone does the same thing you do is a joke. I say ha you get what you deserve.
September 26th, 2008 at 8:33 am
Come on, Don - don’t get the irony?
September 27th, 2008 at 4:49 am
Loslos ninyo, gagmay mo ug mga otin wui!
September 28th, 2008 at 11:10 am
You know what’s the difference between CE, ME and your distribution? Ideas connected with CE, ME and SE are totally different. Good (im not talking about fanatics, that is not true religion) and pure evil (that’s what people think when they see “satanic”). Do you really think that people should tolerate these ideas?
September 29th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
People need not tolerate…it’s linux, it’s free distro, You have the choice to use the distro of Your heart’s desire. If you feel like learning quotes every day from the Bible, then God Bless. As for me, i just love the theme, and the compiz out-of-the-box. And it has metal to boot \m/
October 5th, 2008 at 9:30 am
Well it seems very ironic and stupendous from the DistroWatch folks. They are just being biased and fear that “Ubuntu SE” will overheat their servers and This will be the most Downloaded Edition in the History :).
I am whole heartedly supporting this Distro and plan to have its Linkback to my site soon.
The Bottom Line, People just do not have a creative taste anymore….
Garry We stand by You!!!! And Support your Distro!!!
Ubuntu Satanic Edition RULES!!!!!!!!!
October 5th, 2008 at 9:32 am
Ubuntu SE name need not change,
Since it is your creative pursuit and deserves recognition!!!
Ubuntu Satanic Edition RULES!!!!!!!!!
October 5th, 2008 at 5:26 pm
while the ubuntu half of the name has some legal ramifications the rest of his reasoning is bogus.
Satanic Edition for the masses
October 5th, 2008 at 7:42 pm
Ok Ok guys let’s em talking Shits as much as he Can, Just One Thing i wanna say. You Made The Best Looking for the Linux never seen Before !!! I Like Thais Edition. I Freezed All my works just for downloading this Satanic Edition. I visited the two other Ubuntu edition (muslem and christain) and sincerly They are a peace of Shit, You Rock Here!!!
Keep it Brutal Men, I supporte This Edition and I ll Install it on evry PC on my Lab
October 14th, 2008 at 6:42 pm
ROTFLASTC! (Oh, wait, I don’t have a cat…)
What a silly reason. BTW: can someone send me that article with Mr. Shuttleworth?
I’ve been pondering different names for this distro (not that I think it needs one), but “Pastafarian Edition” or IPUbuntu (Invisible Pink Unicorn-Ubuntu) don’t really cover the load…
You stick to your guns. I like this distro lots.
October 17th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
You do understand that you have managed to do what you set out to do, insult people?
October 17th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
You do understand that you have managed to do what you set out to do, insult us?
October 22nd, 2008 at 2:35 am
This is a bad news for me, you know that i’m very f@*?ing love ubuntu SE. change name??? please don’t do that.
October 22nd, 2008 at 10:12 am
fuck them, what else could I say
October 27th, 2008 at 3:06 am
Hey Garry, love the theme. Thanks. People need to realize this is all in fun. If you don’t like it, don’t download it.
October 29th, 2008 at 9:51 am
Fuck them mate.
Keep your name and continue to work and improove it.
“Satanic Edition” is great name, especially comparing to those opposite ones, CE and ME (Millenium? :p).
October 29th, 2008 at 7:15 pm
Great themes and superb kdm theme :). I feel offended by muslim and christian editions. I wonder if they’ll get banned too…
Anyway keep up the good work !
October 31st, 2008 at 8:17 am
There are many who would be every bit as offended by the names Christian or Muslim Editions as they would be by Satanic Edition. I, personally, can deal with these names, but what offends me is discrimination and Distrowatch is discriminating.
So, he says there are many sensitive people.. and thinks that these sensitive people might get a tad bit offended by the name… so, we are now catering to these few idiots? These people need to open their minds a bit…
I have Ubuntu Satanic Edition installed… find it to be a fun name with some great themes… I’m not religious at all… am an Atheist.. so I’m NOT worshipping the devil here… clearly, as far as I can see, the dude doesn’t exist, but is just a good bit of fun folklore…
Tell these distrowatch people to quit trying to be the offense prevention/morality police, as THEY are offending alot of people with their bad judgment…
BTW, there are many very nice, productive members of society who claim Satanism as their religion… the negativity associated with their religion/life philosophy will only continue with the type of bad behavior that DistroWatch is displaying…
October 31st, 2008 at 11:06 pm
Bit of anger and alcohol… while my previous comment was sincere… probably not the best approach. We need to recognize something… the fact that there’s a Christian and Muslim Edition of Ubuntu and a Satanic Edition gets spit on by DistroWatch, show that there is a problem… getting into these specific religion distros is tricky business… but this is Linux and if someone wants to maintain a themed version of a distro.. more power to them, but we need to also recognize eachothers projects… this means DistroWatch needs to acknowlege Satanic Edition just as it does the others… if not, the open source movement fails.. we hafta work together…
Peace, Love, Equality… Respect!!!!
November 4th, 2008 at 6:08 pm
Tammy, You have a lovely site with so many wonderful accolades.,
November 4th, 2008 at 8:18 pm
Think news exposure. Sites like broadbandreports.com that allow user summited news, do it tastefully and tactfully and let the world begin to see how foolish distrocrotch is being.
November 5th, 2008 at 5:04 pm
Hi, to honest I’m a bit supriced to see this type of behaviour within the open source community. I have seen your theme before, not using it myself but I actually think it looks nice and I know for sure I could use it to attract some of my friends to ubuntu or linux in general. So keep up the good work and hopefully we will soon get rid of these kinds of discriminating ideas within the linux community.
As I see it it’s like shooting yourself in the foot, if you like to limit development and creativity, then you shuoldn’t be using linux or any kind of open software. Microsoft has done very well in that arena and I think then that their products will suite your needs better.
Love!
November 17th, 2008 at 12:47 am
This is just the reason for SE to be. To piss off all those stupid closed minded jerks of the world, that think they can decide whats rigth from wrong… Little sad man…
Keep the good work!!!
LA BESTIA SEA CON UDS!!!!
November 20th, 2008 at 12:22 am
let’s vote to the end of all religions, I’m not comunist, but with all this nonsense discution I’ve think is better.
PS.: all the wars have religion besides